A warning to the TEA Party: Beware Republican talking heads
I am so sick and tired of hearing Republican hack after Republican hack telling those of us who are conservative, and yet not also Republican, that we are the ones screwing everything up. From Limbaugh and Rove on the squawking boxes to actual Republican leaders like Romney, it’s a virtual litany these days…
It pisses me off.
Let’s see some quotes:
Romney –
“[Voting third party] would hand over the country to Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, and that would be very sad indeed,” Romney said.
Rove-
The answer to that is yes. It will help and hurt. The Tea Party movement is a wide and diverse group. It will hurt the Republican Party if some elements of the Tea Party decide to become third party advocates because it will split the conservative vote. Some members of the Tea Party, however, want to follow that course.
Limbaugh –
But a third party is not going to do anything other but ensure the reelection of Obama and every other Democrat running for office because even if you come up with a charismatic third-party presidential candidate, still isn’t going to have anybody of any significance running in that party for seats in Congress of the US Senate unless this movement happened to become the majority movement in the country, and that’s not what’s happening. I respectfully disagree with you here. I understand the anger at the Republican Party. Hell, I’ve got it, too. I’ve had it for a long, long time. But don’t make the mistake of thinking this is not a left versus right thing. This is a conservative ascendancy that’s going on out there. You didn’t show up and protest like this when the Republicans were in power.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Folks, we need to take the Republican Party back. The Democrat Party was co-opted, has been co-opted by a bunch of communists, socialist, fascists, what have you from the sixties and the seventies and that’s what we’re up against now. We have allowed our party to be co-opted by a slate of Ivy League elitists and country club, blue-blood Republicans who want to be thought of as enlightened and compassionate and so forth, they want to be thought of as liberal light, Democrat light. We’ve talked about what the divisions in the Republican Party are all about. It’s about the social issues, the Republicans don’t like the pro-lifers being in the party, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, if we just leave the Republican Party where it is, go third party, we’re ceding defeat. The Electoral College alone, the Electoral College discriminates against third party like you can’t believe. It’s not the way to go. I realize a lot of you are going to be mad at me, but history repeats itself. But the one thing that you who have been with me for 21 years know is that I have never been anything other but a mainstream down the line rock solid bulwark conservative because that’s who I am. And I know that the Republican Party has won big time when it has been as well.
I know that a third party isn’t going to win diddly-squat. But, I am prepared for the next two to four years for some of you out there to hate me and despise me because of this. Because I’m well aware of the anti-Washington sentiment that exists and the desire to just throw the whole thing into the Potomac River and rebuild it. It does have to be rebuilt but you’re never going to throw it all in the Potomac River. And if you discount the role of Barack Obama in ginning up all this passion that’s leading to the protests, if you want to try to equate the Republican Party to what this radical bunch of leftists is doing, you’re going to have a tough time convincing me that there’s any similarity.
I am getting so sick and tired of hearing this BS. Seriously, the only talking head NOT clamoring for a “revitalized Republican Party” is Glenn Beck.
I want to slap Sean Hannity every time I hear him lament “Oh, why would you TEA Party activists try to destroy the Conservative Ascendancy by voting 3rd party??? You’ll hand the Democrats the election!”
Hogwash.
He’s trying to shift the blame for RINO losses in November onto the TEA Party already, with nary a mention of the fact that the Republicans screwed the pooch and put themselves into this situation. They lost the vote of many millions of people, but now Limbaugh et al. are trying to blame the disenfranchised former Republicans and third party conservatives???
Sputter, spit, and stutter with indignation
There are other options. TEA Party voters better not go crawling back to the Republicans or they’ll be in this exact same boat again in 8 or 12 years. It’s nonsense.
Do you realize that this may be the only time you’ll ever hear these talking heads discourage competition?
Why don’t the Republican die-hards drop their party and vote 100% TEA Party? Why can’t Hannity vote TEA Party? What’s wrong with that? Why do only the TEA Party voters have to switch? Why can’t the entire Republican Party die off? Why can’t Republicans come back to the fold and vote for real conservatives, instead of real conservatives having to give up their convictions to vote for Republican scumbags?
The Republicans haven’t done ANYTHING to make any of us want to vote for them. Exactly one year ago today, before the TEA Party, all they did was cower and scrape their noses on the concrete, hustling to vote for every Democrat agenda item, sure that they were to be labeled racist and seen as “against Obama’s historic Presidency” if they didn’t heel when told. Why don’t the lemmings in the Republican base wake up? WE, the TEA Party crowd who are freaked out by the oncoming slavery-due-to-debt this country is entering into and joined by a desire for smaller government, we are the ones who drug the Republicans to their feet and handed them their balls back. Why does the TEA Party need the Republicans? Isn’t it the other way around?
The thought of the Dems keeping their majority in November’s elections is a bogeyman. It’s an idea that is there to scare the living day lights out of you so you’ll go running to the GOP. But that premise is a Sorelian myth. It presents you with a false choice. Elect Republicans or the Democrats win.
The GOP is still trying to govern its former base through the politics of fear. The Republican Revival is already on shaky ground in my book, because if they’re still willing to govern the base the same way they did under Bush, I don’t for a split second believe that their goals have changed either.
And I, for one, am tired of it and don’t want any more of this OBushma bull crap.
Again, there are other options!
We can have TEA Party winners and Republican winners, neither of those parties will caucus with the Democrats, so it’s not like the liberals win if there is a conservative majority in Congress split between two parties. Then you can have a conservative controlled Congress with a check-and-balance setup. If the Republicans get too big for their britches in DC, the TEA Party can hold them back. If the TEA Party gets a bit over-zealous, the Republicans can help moderate them a bit. It sounds so Constitutional that I firmly believe that conservatives would support this idea.
The TEA Party-Republican divide would only matter during a Presidential election. In such a case, maybe the Democrats could pull off an impressive string of victories. But it doesn’t matter which party is in control of the Oval Office, the real power is invested in Congress. We’re a democratic republic, that’s how the system was setup. As long as conservatives, of any party, controlled the purse strings for the country, you could put anyone of any ideology in as President, wouldn’t matter in the least. Look at Clinton’s time with a GOP dominated Congress as proof of concept.
Grrrrrr. We need a third party.
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Exactly. I think you’d enjoy reading Poli-Tea, where I have been making this point for over a year now.
“We can have TEA Party winners and Republican winners, neither of those parties will caucus with the Democrats, so it’s not like the liberals win if there is a conservative majority in Congress split between two parties.”
Mike, isn’t the argument being made that with Tea party and Republican candidates running for the same office, they would divide the vote and then the Democrat would win the seat? Your scenario above assumes there is a conservative majority split between Tea Party and Republicans to outvote liberals/Democrats, which assumes that there will be winners who are conservative from either the Tea Party or the Republican party. The talking heads argue that by both Tea Party and Republicans fielding candidates and competing against each other for conservative votes, they wouldn’t get the wins in the first place. The Democrats would.
“As long as conservatives, of any party, controlled the purse strings for the country”
The argument your opposition is making is that conservatives won’t control the purse strings if, by fielding competing candidates from the Tea Party and the Republican party, they allow Democrats to win congressional seats they might have otherwise lost to a single opponent.
I thought this quote from Limbaugh was telling:
“The Electoral College alone, the Electoral College discriminates against third party like you can’t believe.”
Democrats and Republicans are private organizations that get their members elected to government positions, and then write (“campaign finance”) laws that protect their parties from competition.
The reaction to the TEA partiers is very similar to the reaction to Ralph Nader back in 2000. Democrats and Republicans do not like any competition.
“by both Tea Party and Republicans fielding candidates and competing against each other for conservative votes, they wouldn’t get the wins in the first place. The Democrats would.”
The ideal solution, in such a scenario, is for Republicans to withdraw from the race and endorse the superior conservative candidate.
@ d.eris
“The ideal solution, in such a scenario, is for Republicans to withdraw from the race and endorse the superior conservative candidate.”
Absolutely! I am assuming that conservatives will actually examine the candidates, not just vote for a brand name, and pick the more conservative candidate, be they Republican or TEA Party. This would be done on a district-by-district basis.
I have nothing against the conservative Republicans. There are even Republicans whom I support. But unless the TEA Party wants a light speed return to “business as usual”, they’d better not allow themselves to be scared into voting Republican just to prevent the Democrats from winning.
Independents now outnumber Republicans and Democrats in this country. (1) Why then, do only the Republicans and Democrats get representation? There are three “political catagories”, but only the smaller two have representation.
1 – http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2009/05/independents_outnumber_democra.html
As a Democrat, I think this sounds like a GRRRREAT idea. And this? “The ideal solution, in such a scenario, is for Republicans to withdraw from the race and endorse the superior conservative candidate.” This will so totally work. What could possible go wrong? Go, TP!